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Re: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera-response
Amen.
Warren Yeager, SOC
www.warrenyeager.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond" <roelrich@shaw.ca>
To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera-response
Good point on the focus, and on the "cheap lenses". Film costs the same,
quality isn't.
Raymond
----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Yeager" <wy@warrenyeager.com>
To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera-response
> Some lenses hold focus throughout the zoom range, some don't. Motion
> picture lenses do, because zooming during a shot is one of the things
for
> which you'd choose to shoot with a zoom lens.
>
> Two things about still lenses:
>
> 1) Some of 'em don't hold focus. I have a nice Vivitar 28 - 135mm lens
for
> my Canon camera, which I don't like very much for that reason. I
bought
it
> so I'd have a wide focal length range when I'm out hiking, or on a boat,
or
> just messing around. It's a tough lens to use and wouldn't be very
usefull
> on a motion picture camera.
>
> 2) The zoom ring and the focus ring are two different things on a
motion
> picture lens. On a still lens, the zoom ring usually 'floats' along
the
> barell of the lens to change the focal length. Therefore, if you're
> zooming, and your hand rotates a little, you'd change your focus.
>
> C'mon, people. Have some comittment. Instead of looking for the
'almost
> good enough but cheap' solution, use the right tools. It'll free you
up
to
> concentrate on the creative aspects of the art!!
> Warren Yeager, SOC
> www.warrenyeager.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raymond" <roelrich@shaw.ca>
> To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm
camera-response
>
>
> > Thanks, and that does answer PART of my question, but the main one is
that
> > people claim the zooming on the Nikon will not look proper on film,
and
> that
> > these lenses are not set up properly to zoom while filming?
> >
> > The lens that is on the camera is the 35-135, or something like that,
and
> he
> > says it is fine, but many people say it is not good to zoom with Nikon
> > lenses.
> >
> > Raymond
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ian Marks" <ianmarks@lycos.com>
> > To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:42 PM
> > Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm
camera-response
> >
> >
> > > Hi Eric - Because the 16mm format is so much smaller than 35mm
stills,
> > > it's a given that you'll see a telephoto effect when you adapt 35mm
> > > still lenses to your 16mm movie camera. For example, a 50mm "normal"
> > > lens for your Nikon will become a 50mm "telephoto" lens on your
Beaulieu
> > > because you're just capturing a small rectangle within the circular
> > > image projected by the lens. The good news here is that you're using
the
> > > highest performing part of of the lens - the "sweet spot" in the
center.
> > >
> > >
> > > What I'd like to know is how these lenses compare to regular primes,
> > > like the Schneiders and Zeiss lenses. Of course, you know that
> > > everything intended for stills work will cover Super 16 with room to
> > > spare. I'm wondering how my 17mm Tamron might work as a slightly
wide
> > > angle.
> > >
> > > This also, of course, means that finding a good wide angle of 10 or
12mm
> > > is a problem - there's the cosina/voigtlander 12mm lens in Leica
thread
> > > mount but it's maximum aperture is f5.6 - not really useful for S16
> > > work. I guess for a really wide lens one just has to use one of the
> > > lenses intended for S16.
> > >
> > >
> > > eric@earthid.org wrote:
> > > >
> > > > raymond,
> > > >
> > > > i have used a couple of cheap, older nikon lenses a couple months
back
> > > > using a nikon to c-mount adapter on my super8 and 16mm beaulieu
> cameras.
> > > > i also used some other mounts for other 35mm still lenses, again,
> cheap
> > > > lenses i borrowed from soem of my friends here that have still
35mm
> > > > cameras in their closets. i do not personally own any of these
still
> > > > 35mm lenses. but the film, upon receivng it back from processing
and
> > > > telecine, looked good. mind you, i had only shot a couple
thousand
> feet
> > > > of film prior to those specific experiments, and was using
> > > > differnat/various cameras for which i was neither accostumed to,
nor
> had
> > > > completely dialed in. but i did make sure is was in focus by
zooming
> > > > the lenses, setting to infinity, and opening hte iris all the way
and
> > > > then i focussed the viewfinder so everythign was clear/in focus,
and
> > > > then i adjusted the lens down to 5', and used a tape measure to
check
> if
> > > > i was in focus at 5', and i was for the most part with the
differnat
> > > > lensessome i could not focus below 10-15'.. so after doing this i
> > > > filmed both indoors and outdoors using my colorbar slate, and i
used
> the
> > > > range of the lens(es) and aside from some improperly exposed
film(due
> to
> > > > my lack of experience), all the footage came out great. however,
> > > > everything seemed like i was using a 2x adapter on one of my
normal
> > > > c-mount lenses ... everything was more like a telephoto lens,
wherein
> > > > the subject was in focus, but anything behind or in front was not.
> this
> > > > was at close distances. i did not shot much footage otherwise,
> wherein
> > > > everything in frame was in focus, but i did shoot a little, and
indeed
> > > > everything in frame was in focus when the lens was opened wide,
not
> > > > zoomed. but the actual frame/image still looked like i was using
a
> > > > telephoto. perhaps i am not explaning this correctly ... do you
know
> > > > what i am trying to say? am i making sense to anyone?
> > > >
> > > > i will upload these tests once i get my computer apple setup.
perhaps
> > > > then you wll understand what i am saying. i think that if one
were
to
> > > > use 35mm still lenses on 16mm cameras, they just need to know
things
> > > > will seemed magnified and seemingly zoomed, even when the lens is
not.
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > From: Raymond <roelrich@shaw.ca>
> > > > Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
> > > > Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:05:02 -0700
> > > >
> > > > >If you find out, let me know, as I am considering the same. I
would
> > like
> > > > >to
> > > > >know if anyone has used Nikon lenses on either 16mm, S16 or 35mm?
Do
> > the
> > > > >zoom lenses function the same to zoom while filming. Some people
say
> > > > >yes,
> > > > >others say no, and I have an Eclair I want to buy in S16 that HAS
the
> > > > >Nikon
> > > > >adapter, so I need to know this?
> > > > >
> > > > >Raymond
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Ian Marks" <ianmarks@lycos.com>
> > > > >To: <eclairacl@topica.com>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:26 PM
> > > > >Subject: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Does anyone have experience using 35mm still photography lenses
to
> > shoot
> > > > >> normal or super-16? I just bought a cheap Nikon to "C" mount
> adapter
> > on
> > > > >> Ebay. I have also seen a Nikon to Eclair mount adapter on the
net.
> I
> > > > >> have some fast Nikkors which generally perform well for stills
wide
> > > > >> open. Short of shooting a test, can anyone tell me if these
will
> > produce
> > > > >> good results?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - Ian Marks
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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