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RE: Eclair Cameras: ilford film stock

yes I did test the ilford stock, maybe 8 years ago
pan F is amazing, FP4 is good and HP5 is the most
sensitive filmstock you can find
I found it at a standard gamma devt at 800 asa !
(developped at Dejonghe in Belgium ), and it has really acceptable grain the only problem with the HP5 was that it was really
grey and I printed it on ST8 (agfa sound film stock)
but developed in a standard chemical
The FP4 and HP5 were contrasted enough
even if I do agree on the problem of the black and
white print today... ecological problems !!!
I found some black and white 16mm or 8mm shot in late
40's and it's incredible sharp, beautiful contrast and
range of greys !!! impossible to find and to do today

just to finish with ilford film, the main problem is
that they really do not care of cinematography !
they just make conditionning on ordering
and I had some troubles with the HP5 : it jammed in
the cameras ! I think the problem came from
I just give advice to a DOP 3 years ago for a long
feature he wanted to shoot on 35mm BW. He was a well
known french DOP (Jean-Marie Dreujou) and the film was
with Vanessa Paradis but he never get positive answer
from Ilford and he finally shot on colour and make
inters on BW... I find it crazy

just try FUJI BW !!!
they have ONE beautiful filmstock on 16 and 35
80 asa on departure, but easy to push !
much more beautiful than kodak


--- Julian Williamson <julian3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
I really wasn't meaning to be overly pedantic; I'm
sure not everyone on the
list is equally familiar with how the stocks work.

At any rate, color "ghost" grain looks different
than B&W grain, and Kodak's
current B&W stocks look much grainier than
equivalent-speed Vision stocks,
whether printed or telecine'd.  I think we'd all be
delighted if Kodak would
make up some T-Max b&w stock in 16mm.  I would like
to compare it.

Has anyone seriously tested the Ilford 16mm B&W


> From: Leo Vale <leoavale@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:05:08 -0700 (PDT)
> To: EclairACL@topica.com
> Subject: Re: Eclair Cameras: T-max versus 7245
> > > --- Julian Williamson <julian3rd@earthlink.net>
>> I find it doubtful that any b&w emulsion would be
>> less "grainy" than color,
>> primarily because in B&W, the silver halide
>> remain in the emulsion,
>> whereas in color the crystals are used to
activate a
>> dye (which makes up the
>> image) and the actual silver halide is then
>> away in the bleach stage
>> of color processing -- thus, there are no actual
>> "grains" but the remnants
>> of them left in color emulsions.
> > ---Yes, but that's being overly pedantic.
> When those silver grains are bleached out of the
> emulsion, the blobs of dye left behind take the
> of the silver grain that vanished.  Maybe the dye
> bleed a little, but that dye blob will look like
> grain.
> > In a print what we perceive as grain is actually
> space between the grains.  At that point, there's
> practical difference real grain and color ghost
> > --- LV > > __________________________________
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