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Re: Eclair Cameras: T-max versus 7245

I really wasn't meaning to be overly pedantic; I'm sure not everyone on the
list is equally familiar with how the stocks work.

At any rate, color "ghost" grain looks different than B&W grain, and Kodak's
current B&W stocks look much grainier than equivalent-speed Vision stocks,
whether printed or telecine'd.  I think we'd all be delighted if Kodak would
make up some T-Max b&w stock in 16mm.  I would like to compare it.

Has anyone seriously tested the Ilford 16mm B&W stock?


From: Leo Vale <leoavale@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:05:08 -0700 (PDT)
To: EclairACL@topica.com
Subject: Re: Eclair Cameras: T-max versus 7245

--- Julian Williamson <julian3rd@earthlink.net> wrote:
I find it doubtful that any b&w emulsion would be
less "grainy" than color,
primarily because in B&W, the silver halide crystals
remain in the emulsion,
whereas in color the crystals are used to activate a
dye (which makes up the
image) and the actual silver halide is then washed
away in the bleach stage
of color processing -- thus, there are no actual
"grains" but the remnants
of them left in color emulsions.

---Yes, but that's being overly pedantic.
When those silver grains are bleached out of the
emulsion, the blobs of dye left behind take the form
of the silver grain that vanished.  Maybe the dye will
bleed a little, but that dye blob will look like

In a print what we perceive as grain is actually the
space between the grains.  At that point, there's no
practical difference real grain and color ghost grain.

--- LV

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