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Eclair Cameras: The Lost History of the ACL and other cameras-response/comments
ray,
thank you. my purpose on this list to to obtain information/facts regarding this particular camera, both for my own benefit in actually using the camera, and for the benefit of those who end up watching the dvd. admittedly, i am stll not certain if this will be one dvd, or if one dvd will cover each camera. this largely depends on the information base available for each camera and what i end up with when the information collection is all said and done. the schematics and technical aspect of the acl, and the other cmaeras i am researching, will all be similar as it relates to the amount of playable content that is stored on the dvd. where things differ is in the user base areas, as it relates to what people do with the cameras, like the accessoies, or the modifications, and so on. either way, there is lots of information that needs to be collected and verified accurate, and in the case of the acl and npr cameras(the cm3 too), most of this information comes from its user
s, and not from historical documentation. locating as many advertisments and promotional materials as does exist in the homes and collections of who knows who will no doubt be a challange. i beleive i have collected as much original material for the r16 as did exist when it was made/sold, including original packaging. but these acl/npr cameras are a totally differant gig. did they ever make a box for these cameras? of were they sent out in regular shipping boxes/crates? and then photos of the actual manufacturing facility ... internal memos, etc., these will most likely be next to impossible to locate from what i have seen and heard.
i will keep soaking up what i read and hear from each of you until it is applied to memory, until then thanks for sharing your information.
eric
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From: RT <cinesota@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 03:32:34 +0000
eric@earthid.org wrote:
you indicate that there are 130 members here. perhaps this >has been
covered, but i was not able to find it in the older >messages ... how
many acl users, or acl cameras are out >there? i have no clue ... is
the number in the thousands?
You've got me Eric. Wished I could answer that question. I do know of
the 130 people we have on the List most of them do not post, but prefer
to just read and utilize the info here. I don't think all of them own
cameras though. Mark S16 and I have talked about this before and he
seems to think that there is at least a few hundred in the US alone.
His guess is probably as close to an educated guess as we are going to
find. Mark, wanna weigh in here?
i ws able to dig up alot of info on another make of camera, but >these
acl and npr cameras have very little historical info >avaiable online.
perhaps i'm looking or searching incorrectly
Naah you are searching correctly. There just isn't alot of info out
there. As I had mentioned before, it seems alot of records and
documents have been lost. I am still yet to actually see a real, honest
to god ACL 2 users manual, and we are just talking about the user
manual. There should have been one of those with every camera. Where
have they gone? I'm sure they are out there, but it takes someone
willing to make copies or post it online. Regarding schematics and
technical papers they are nearly impossible to find. Robert Latimer was
kind enough to post a parts manual for the ACL at his website and Perry
at www.eclairacl.com posted the ACL 1 and 1.5 manuals online.
Unfortunately that is about it. There is a good NPR website out there
but I don't have the URL handy. The site there has some excellent NPR
reference information. It could be worse, you could own a Eclair
Cameflex/CM3. There seems to be virtually little to no info on those
otherwise fine cameras.
One of the goals of the Eclair List has been to fill in the gaps.
one that is even worse is the GSMO...
I think the same thing happened to the GSMO as happened to the ACL.
When Cinema Products got out of the camera business they destroyed all
the toolings and molds and most of the technical data for the GSMO
disappeared. The achilles heal of the GSMO was those damn proprietary
chips CP used for all the camera functions. The camera just never
caught on but it was a camera ahead of it's time. Try Whitehouse AV for
more info on the GSMO. Derrick Whitehouse hates the little buggers but
he can probably steer you towards some information.
did aaton archeive all of the old schematics, molds, technical >drawings
and paperwork, manuals, documentation, etc?
No, sorry they didn't. I corresponded with Jean Pierre, head of Aaton
and he said no they didn't have anything left. Most of the former
Eclair engineers took what they could and locating them has proved
fruitless. There is the language barrier and a technological barrier
(the one former Eclair engineer we tracked down isn't on the internet
nor has email).
Cheers,
Ray
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eric martin jarvies sr
cabo san lucas, bcs mexico cp 23410
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