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Re: Very Nice!

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Marc S:

I have not used the Nikon glass on an ACL, primarily because 35mm glass,
designed to cover a larger image circle, does not go as "wide" as glass
designed for 16mm...  I shoot with lenses as wide as 5.7mm...

If you're doing wildlife docs, though, you'll be working on the far end of
the scale, though, and 35mm lenses might work for you.

You can usually find a used Zeiss T3.1 or 3.3 on e-bay for under 1k.

Good luck,
Julian Williamson
From: "Marc Syp" <mpsyp@hotmail.com>
To: EclairACL@listbot.com
Subject: Re: Very Nice!
Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2001, 12:01 PM

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From: "Julian Williamson" <julian3rd@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: "Eclair ACL Discussion and Support"

manufacturer's lenses Zeiss 10-100 T2, Cooke 9-50, Canon 8-64, As well as
the Zeiss 10-100 T/3.1 or 3.3 you mentioned in your post.  In comparison,
the older vintage Angenieux lenses do not have the contrast or sharpness of
the newer generation of lenses, neither is it as sharp or contrasty as the
similar-age 10-100 T3.1/3.3.

How much does a Zeiss 10-100 T3.1 go for?

Also, does modern Nikon glass blow the old Angenieux lenses out of the
water?  A C-mount to Nikon adapter is relatively cheap and I would certainly
consider buying a new Nikon lens for use on both my Nikon FA and my first
Eclair ACL, which I should be receiving within the next few weeks.

P.S.  I was really happy to find this discussion forum, please don't shut it
down!  :)

Marc S.

There is a visible difference in telecine, as well as print.  Another thing
about "softer" lenses, believe it or not, the image looks grainier than an
image shot through a newer, sharper lens.  Nevertheless, the old
have a certain indescribable look and feel -- I shot a cinema-verite style
B&W documentary with an old Angenieux a couple a years ago, and the lens
worked really well with that piece.

Good luck with your camera.  I've shot with the Arri SR's, as well, and I
like toting the ACL around much better...

Julian Williamson

>From: "Chris Bell" <cbell00@home.com>
>To: "Eclair ACL Discussion and Support" <EclairACL@listbot.com>
>Subject: Re: Very Nice!
>Date: Sat, Jul 7, 2001, 5:28 PM

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> I just finished two large projects shooting with a French made ACL 1.5
> was very nervous on the both projects until I saw the footage in the
> transfer.  It was perfect. The registration was tight and clean.
> We sent the camera to George at Optical Electro in the US for an
> and tested it out with a few rolls.  In the past we have rented an Arri
> but on these project we decided to purchase a camera so we would have
> freedom to shoot when wanted too. However we couldn't afford and Arri SR
> I felt like we were taking a big risk shooting with a camera that is no
> longer manufactured and has limited repair facilities and spare parts.
So I
> feel pretty lucky that the risk has paid off.  The camera runs very
> and never has eaten or damaged film.
> I do have a problem now however... I have a newer Angeniuex orientable
> viewfinder and if the camera is laid on it's side over night, one of the
> elements drifts out of alignment so that when you look thru the view
> only half of the image can be seen.  However, if you set the camera up
> right, especially in a warm spot (i.e. in the sun), the problem
> So I know something's loose because the prism or internal element slides
> back into place.  However I have taken it to a highly qualified lens
> twice and he seemed to zero in on the problem very quickly and fix it.
> However it never lasts! The problem quickly arises again.   Is there
> out there that you folks can recommend?
> Also, I live in Colorado and have a nature documentary planned and would
> like to know if the Angeniuex 12-240 is a good lens - provided it's been
> taken good care of???
> I'm also interested in the Super 16 kit you mention, however, I'm a
> nervous about the conversion.  I've gone to Super16ACL site but have not
> felt real comfortable mainly due to the lack of recommendations of good
> technician???   Also from what I understand my very sharp 10-100 T*(i.e.
> T2.8) would not be convertible to super16?
> Finally I would prefer an online forum if there was a history of prior
> postings.
> My hats off to whomever created this ACL email service. I believe this
> the only place to facilitate information on this camera system and it's
> appreciated.
> PS. I will send Tobin my interest in their new motor too.
> Thanks all!
> Chris Bell
> Colorado, USA
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> Hi All,
> To our American Listees, I hope everyone had a good, safe 4th of July.
> I have some bad news. Apparently Bill Gates has decided that Listbot
> profitable enough, so Microsoft will be closing it down August 20. Good
> news is I have found a couple of other possible list services and will
> look into moving the ACL List over in the next couple of weeks.
> Things have been pretty quiet on the List lately and before I go to the
> trouble of moving everything I want to confirm that the ACL List is
> proving useful to everybody. If you have any feedback on how we can
> improve the List please let me know. You can post to the List or send me
> an off-list email at cinesota@yahoo.com
> We hit 30 members yesterday and I haven't seen a post in a couple of
> weeks. Would a regular online forum be better or should we stay the
> with an email list service? Should we expand the scope of the List or
> it ACL only? I need some feedback. I understand we are talking about a
> tool here, a camera, so day to day discussions are not expected, but I
> should see at least a couple of posts a week to feel this is a viable
> effort. Help me out here folks and tell me what we need to do. How can
> make the ACL List better? 'Nuff said.
> I have corresponded with Clive Tobin and he has been swamped with other
> work and hasn't been able to work on the ACL motor. If you are planning
> upgrade your camera you should drop him a line and let him know you are
> interested. If he gets enough requests he may finally get the thing
> finished.
> I just purchased two of the HD144 Super 16 parts kits from Mark
> (Super16ACL@aol.com) and I have to say WOW! The stuff looks like it came
> from Eclair itself. If you are contemplating an S16 upgrade for your ACL
> highly recommend getting one of these kits. Mark is also working on a
> throat extender for the ACL 200' mags to allow better hand holdability.
> Right on Mark! Let him know if you are interested in this upgrade.
> There is a very nice ACL kit on ebay right now. If your in the market
> might check it out at
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1252617584
> And lastly if you have shot something with your ACL and you want to plug
> it on the List, feel free. Tell us how the camera worked out. If you are
> currently shooting keep us updated.
> That's about it.
> Good luck and happy shooting.
> Ray the List Mum
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