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RE: Eclair Cameras: ACL 1.5 motor vs. 2 motor
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From: pmjbacon@netscape.net [mailto:pmjbacon@netscape.net]
Sent: Tue 3/11/2003 1:45 PM
To: EclairACL@topica.com
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Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: ACL 1.5 motor vs. 2 motor
... Yes; that went right into my ECLAIR folder, THANKS !
>This posting is for all those who have been discussing the loop and inching
>knob. First let me say that if you do not understand fundamental camera
>design you probably shouldnt be shooting film. Hope that doesnt hurt
>anyones ego. The Eclair companies have a mutual design element in all their
>cameras. That is the use of a 12 frame external loop and inching knob. To
>properly set the loop on any Eclair camera magazine simply set the load to
>reveal a 12 frame external loop. On the ACL, (all models), mark the center
>of the loop with a sharpie and tuck the loop back into the magazine so that
>the sharpie center mark is in the center; drop the loop one frame towards
>the bottom and insert it into the camera. On the NPR mark the center of the
>12 frames and tuck the loop into the magazine with the mark in the middle,
>as well, but on the NPR this mark will stay in the middle as noted on each
>magazine. Remember that the NPR has an internal loop that has to be set
>exactly to the printed diagram inside. Attach the magazine to the camera.
>On all Eclair cameras turn the inching knob once or twice to set the claw.
>This should be done slowly and should take no more than one or two turns.
>If it does there may be something wrong with your magazine. If you use this
>technique you will likely never have a problem with loading the camera
>again. You will also find that the camera ceases to drop loop while
>shooting.
>
>About Nikor lenses.
>The ACL camera is colimnated to set the c-mount flange distance. Once this
>is done at the factory there is no need to recolimnate the camera or its
>lens adapters, unless it has been tampered with by an inexperienced
>technician. That means that any healthy Nikor lens will have pristeen
>accutance when used with a factory made/healthy Nikor adaptor. Remember
>that focal length is not realitive as some people think. A 24mm is a 24mm
>is a 24mm and so on. What changes is the size of the film gate or apron,
>thus cropping the image circle at the film plane. A 300 millimeter telephoto
>lens for 35mm film is a 300 millimeter telephoto for 16mm. It seems more
>extreme because the 16mm film format uses less of the image projected into
>the image circle at the film plane.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Welle [mailto:mwelle@starband.net]
>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:10 PM
>To: EclairACL@topica.com
>Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: ACL 1.5 motor vs. 2 motor
>
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>I suppose that when I am inching the knob, it allows (as you say) the
>claws to find the sprocket holes, thus eliminating the noise I would
>have otherwise heard had I not inched it properly. In other words,
>maybe when the sprocket holes are engaged correctly that is when I hear
>the least noise coming from my camera.
>
>Anyway, I've run a lot of film through my camera, and I haven't had any
>problems with it. I'll be sending it off to get overhauled in the near
>future anyway.
>
>Thanks
>
>Warren Yeager wrote:
>> Don't know why that would be.....the manuel says to load the mag and
>> then
>> inch the knob until the claws find the sprocket holes....after that, to
>> my
>> understanding, the motor just turns 'round and 'round and if it has self
>> parking....stops with the shutter closed and the mirror in
>> place.....could
>> you motor be out of alignment?
>>
>> Warren Yeager, SOC
>> www.warrenyeager.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Welle" <mwelle@starband.net>
>> To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: ACL 1.5 motor vs. 2 motor
>>
>>
>> > What I meant was that sometimes if I move the inching knob ever so
>> > slightly in one direction or the other, the camera becomes quieter when
>> > it is running with film loaded.
>> >
>> > Mark wrote:
>> > > In a message dated 3/10/2003 11:59:37 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>> > > mwelle@starband.net writes:
>> > >
>> > > > With my 1.5 motor I adjust the inching knob to quiet the camera when
>> > > > film is loaded.
>> > >
>> > > Can you explain what you mean? Thanks. Mark.
>> > >
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>> > Michael Welle
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>Michael Welle
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I must differ totally with the person who's telling us to use a 12 frame loop with the ACL's.
The NPR is 12 frames.
The ACL was designed differently.
I was in the manufacturing plant both in France, and later, in England.
I was trained in both places.
We were instructed to bring the film out and around the pressure plate area.
The next step was TO PULL THE LOOP TO THE TOP OF THE MAGAZINE..STRAIGHT UP.
THEN LET IT GO AND BALANCE IT OUT.
THEN LEAVE ONE MORE FRAME ON THE BOTTOM ON THE BOTTOM PART OF THE LOOP...
IN OTHER WORDS, IMBALANCE IT BY ONE FRAME ON THE BOTTOM.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT WOULD EQUATE TO 12 FRAMES.
I NORMALLY END UP WIYH 14 FRAMES.
THE REASON FOR THE EXTRA FRAME ON THE BOTTOM WAS THAT, IN THE EVENT OF FILM BEING LEFT IN THE MAG FOR AN EXTENDED TIME PERIOD...A DAY OR TWO BETWEEN TAKES, THE PLASTIC, OF WHICH THE FILM IS COMPRISED, WOULD DEVELOP A "MEMORY".
IT WOULD WANT TO TEND TO REMAIN IN A LOOP-CURVED POSITION.
THIS WOULD TEND TO GIVE IT AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOSE A FRAME ON THE LOOP.
BY PROVIDING THAT EXTRA FRAME ON BOTTOM, YOU WOULD STILL REMAIN BALANCED.
Cheers,
Bernie O'
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