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Re: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera-response

I am going to use the Zeiss lens with a zoom motor on it, so hopefully that
will solve it. The Nikon zoom lenses are not easy to zoom with the focus on
the barrel.

Thanks,

Raymond
----- Original Message ----- From: "eric jarvies" <eric@earthid.org> 
To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera-response



yes ... thats it!!!  that is what does not look right on that footage!!

it is when i actually zoomed and filmed that things looked funky.  i thought
is just was zooming incorrectly or something.  good, nice to know what that
is caused from.  well, that would be what i could not explain.  if you are
using the lens in a set focal lenght, no problems.  but when you zoom them,
things get real messy.  i do not know why however ... you will have to ask
someone that does.


eric


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Raymond <roelrich@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
Date:  Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:47:51 -0700

>Thanks, and that does answer PART of my question, but the main one is

that

>people claim the zooming on the Nikon will not look proper on film, and

that

>these lenses are not set up properly to zoom while filming?
>
>The lens that is on the camera is the 35-135, or something like that, and

he

>says it is fine, but many people say it is not good to zoom with Nikon
>lenses.
>
>Raymond
>----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ian Marks" <ianmarks@lycos.com> 
>To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:42 PM
>Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera-response
>
>
>> Hi Eric - Because the 16mm format is so much smaller than 35mm stills,
>> it's a given that you'll see a telephoto effect when you adapt 35mm
>> still lenses to your 16mm movie camera. For example, a 50mm "normal"
>> lens for your Nikon will become a 50mm "telephoto" lens on your

Beaulieu

>> because you're just capturing a small rectangle within the circular
>> image projected by the lens. The good news here is that you're using

the

>> highest performing part of of the lens - the "sweet spot" in the

center.

>>
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how these lenses compare to regular primes,
>> like the Schneiders and Zeiss lenses. Of course, you know that
>> everything intended for stills work will cover Super 16 with room to
>> spare. I'm wondering how my 17mm Tamron might work as a slightly wide
>> angle.
>>
>> This also, of course, means that finding a good wide angle of 10 or

12mm

>> is a problem - there's the cosina/voigtlander 12mm lens in Leica thread
>> mount but it's maximum aperture is f5.6 - not really useful for S16
>> work.  I guess for a really wide lens one just has to use one of the
>> lenses intended for S16.
>>
>>
>> eric@earthid.org wrote:
>> >
>> > raymond,
>> >
>> > i have used a couple of cheap, older nikon lenses a couple months

back

>> > using a nikon to c-mount adapter on my super8 and 16mm beaulieu

cameras.

>> >  i also used some other mounts for other 35mm still lenses, again,

cheap

>> > lenses i borrowed from soem of my friends here that have still 35mm
>> > cameras in their closets.  i do not personally own any of these still
>> > 35mm lenses.  but the film, upon receivng it back from processing and
>> > telecine, looked good.  mind you, i had only shot a couple thousand

feet

>> > of film prior to those specific experiments, and was using
>> > differnat/various cameras for which i was neither accostumed to, nor

had

>> > completely dialed in.  but i did make sure is was in focus by zooming
>> > the lenses, setting to infinity, and opening hte iris all the way and
>> > then i focussed the viewfinder so everythign was clear/in focus, and
>> > then i adjusted the lens down to 5', and used a tape measure to check

if

>> > i was in focus at 5', and i was for the most part with the differnat
>> > lensessome i could not focus below 10-15'..  so after doing this i
>> > filmed both indoors and outdoors using my colorbar slate, and i used

the

>> > range of the lens(es) and aside from some improperly exposed film(due

to

>> > my lack of experience), all the footage came out great.  however,
>> > everything seemed like i was using a 2x adapter on one of my normal
>> > c-mount lenses ... everything was more like a telephoto lens, wherein
>> > the subject was in focus, but anything behind or in front was not.

this

>> > was at close distances.  i did not shot much footage otherwise,

wherein

>> > everything in frame was in focus, but i did shoot a little, and

indeed

>> > everything in frame was in focus when the lens was opened wide, not
>> > zoomed.  but the actual frame/image still looked like i was using a
>> > telephoto.  perhaps i am not explaning this correctly ... do you know
>> > what i am trying to say?  am i making sense to anyone?
>> >
>> > i will upload these tests once i get my computer apple setup.

perhaps

>> > then you wll understand what i am saying.  i think that if one were

to

>> > use 35mm still lenses on 16mm cameras, they just need to know things
>> > will seemed magnified and seemingly zoomed, even when the lens is

not.

>> >
>> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > From: Raymond <roelrich@shaw.ca>
>> > Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
>> > Date:  Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:05:02 -0700
>> >
>> > >If you find out, let me know, as I am considering the same. I would
>like
>> > >to
>> > >know if anyone has used Nikon lenses on either 16mm, S16 or 35mm? Do
>the
>> > >zoom lenses function the same to zoom while filming. Some people say
>> > >yes,
>> > >others say no, and I have an Eclair I want to buy in S16 that HAS

the

>> > >Nikon
>> > >adapter, so I need to know this?
>> > >
>> > >Raymond
>> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Ian Marks" <ianmarks@lycos.com> 
>> > >To: <eclairacl@topica.com>
>> > >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:26 PM
>> > >Subject: Eclair Cameras: Shooting 35mm lenses on 16mm camera
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Does anyone have experience using 35mm still photography lenses to
>shoot
>> > >> normal or super-16?  I just bought a cheap Nikon to "C" mount

adapter

>on
>> > >> Ebay. I have also seen a Nikon to Eclair mount adapter on the net.

I

>> > >> have some fast Nikkors which generally perform well for stills

wide

>> > >> open. Short of shooting a test, can anyone tell me if these will
>produce
>> > >> good results?
>> > >>
>> > >> - Ian Marks
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > eric martin jarvies sr
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