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Re: Eclair Cameras: reversal film-response/comments
the ONLY dfferance between a good DIY telecine unit and a pro unit is the wetgate, and the divinci color correction. HOWEVER, if you are using reversal film, you need not worry about little artifacts showing up as white dots/blobs on the transfer as you would if it were negative film(which is why a wetgate is used). therefore, the image quality in a DIY as mentioned in my previous post, and a pro telecine is close to nil. the BIG differnace in the color correction. HOWEVER, if you have an nle system, like fcp4.0, you can color correct yourself, at which point you are now neck and neck with a pro telecine job. in fact, if you have a higher res camera then that of your telecine house, you could end up with better quality images. remember, you do not transfer to video TAPE(minidv, betasp, digibeta, etc.) ... you capture DIRECTLY to the hard drive. so if you use a system like the JK pronter with a digital still SLR camera(a good high res camera), you will end up with highe
r quality images then that of most pro telecine houses that are not equiped with the latest $2m equipment. also, there IS an option if you are going to DIY telecine NEGATIVE filmstock ... there is a film cleaning liquid that can be applied to the film prior to projecting/trasnfering it, and this will 'act' as a wetgate of sorts, and some people claim it work really well, although i dod not remember the name of the product.
for use with digital still SLR camera(hd quality, 1fps, which is kind of a slow transfer speed, but the quality is awesome):
http://www.jkcamera.com
or the 16mm workprinter that uses a condensor lens and is used with video cameras of any sort or type. the video camera must have a 14x lens or greater. so unlike the jk printer, which captures direct from the film without optics inbetween the camera and the unit, the following has a high quality condensor lens:
http://www.moviestuff.tv
both products have a user base that have nothing but good things to say about them. although, i personally do not get along well with the owner of the workprinter(major personality conflict), he does make a good product that works and does the job accoriding to his customers.
because i live in mexico and am 1300 miles away from a telecine machine, i have considered shooting reversal film and using one of the below mentioned devices to transfer the footage myself. because my film will end up on DVD, this type of transfer using a reversal film is ideal!! on the other hand, if my final product was going to the big screen, then i would no doubt want to stick with color negative film. but honestly, at this point i have only shot several thousand feet of s8 and 16mm film, and am just now beginning to get things right in terms of exposure and focus and proper dof and framing etc. which is not saying i have shot several thousand feet of crappy film, its just now i am finally shooting consistant film with consistant and repeatable results. but i still have several thousand more feet to go before i can be confident what i am filming is what i will receive back when the film is processed(meanwhile i will have to send my wife out on the corner, and gt m
y kids walking the streets selling chicklets to pay for all this damn filmstock and transfering and shipping and on and on).
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Raymond <roelrich@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:21:17 -0700
Good point! Any difference in quality of video when you do it yourself?
Raymond
----- Original Message -----
From: "eric jarvies" <eric@earthid.org>
To: <EclairACL@topica.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:20 PM
Subject: Eclair Cameras: reversal film-response/comments
one thing that is an obvious advantage to shooting reversal film is that
you can telecine the footage yourself using a modified 16mm projector with
either a condensor lens(like a workprinter for example), or a custom setup
like the jk, wherein you use an extension tube. the transfer of the footage
depends on the quality of the capturing camera. on the workprinter, if you
are using a miniDV digital camera, broadcast 3 chip ccd camera, or any video
camera, you can use the computer to capture one frame at a time(up to 6 or 9
fps). the resolution is based on the quality of the video camera/lens. the
jk device allows you to use a digital still slr camera much the same way as
the workprinter, wherein the flash socket on the camera digital still slr
camera is modified so the jk machine can automattically advance the film to
the next frame, instruct the camera to shoot the image, and then advance
again, repeating the process until your roll of film is completed. this
latter process means
the reason i mention it is because if you are shooting lots of footage and
have a nle setup at your home or office, it actually pays to purchase one or
the other of these units(workprinter under $2k and jk printer under $5k, not
including your choice of video or still digital camera) and
telecine/transfer the footage yourself. heck, 2000' of film woud about pay
for one of these, correct? how much do you guys pay for telecine of your
color reversal film. or negative film for that matter?
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Raymond <roelrich@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: EclairACL@topica.com
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 15:02:36 -0700
>Michael,
>
>I thank you for your insight into reversal film. I am also shooting 100
ft.
>rolls, and love them! I load them in daylight and have no problem with
them,
>shooting wildlife films. That is not easy when you are using 400 ft mags
and
>run out of film, and have to carry not only the film, but the changing
bag
>as well out into the field. I am getting a back up camera to have one
>loading while I am shooting the other one. (Need an assistant!)
>
>What ASA film do you shoot for reversal film? I have access to some
>Kodachrome, as well as other Kodak reversal film, and would like to shoot
>it. Anyone have any experience with Fuji reversal film? For outdoor
filming
>with wildlife, what film would you suggest?
>
>Anyone know where to get recanned or short end film in 16mm, either
negative
>or reversal?
>
>Thanks
>
>Raymond
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Welle" <mwelle@starband.net>
>To: <eclairacl@topica.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:44 AM
>Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: That Stupid Connector! :-(
>
>
>> Correction in last message: And everyone says "Don't shoot negative,
>> shoot reversal."
>>
>> That should actually read: And everyone says "Don't shoot reversal,
>> shoot negative."
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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eric martin jarvies sr
cabo san lucas, bcs mexico cp 23410
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