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RE: Eclair Cameras: More ACL problems
From: august loessberg [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Wed 7/2/2003 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Eclair Cameras: More ACL problems
In the twenty seven years I have been shooting film I have never heard of a
film can leaking light unless some one actually perforated it. Daylight
spools are designed to be loaded in very subdued light. If you are loading
your film in a shaded area and outside a change bag, you should count on
fogging at least the first two feet of each roll. If that is the case and
that is where your fog is the problem is you. Change your MO.
As for scratches. I am a camera tech and my experience has shown the some
70-90% of film scratches occur in the gate not the mag. If the mag rollers
are clean and the mag is loaded properly, ( sometimes a novice loads the
loop wrong) there should be no place a mag can scratch the film. Mag
rollers that are freely rolling cannot scratch film, that is why it is
unnecessary to modify mag rollers when upgrading to S16.
Check your gate with a piece of film about two inches long. Subdue the claw
and rub the film back and forth in the gate. Check the gate with a
magnifier to find any burrs or irregularities.
From: Chris Leong [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:04 AM
Subject: Eclair Cameras: More ACL problems
Thanks for the information. Here's what I found:
The rubber lining to the doors seems to be intact and probably recently
replaced, since I can't see any shrinkage at all around the rims and
near the hinges. I picked the camera up from Opto Electric House where
apparently it had just undergone some service/refurbishment.
The spring housing (three screws hold down a plate on the takeup side)
seems clean and the spring itself taut and with maybe a little light
grease on it. Little or no slippage between the spring and the takeup
core - i.e. when you turn the core, the film sprocket roller turns
without give as well)
So I conclude it must have been the lack of the black plastic bag in the
film can (don't forget I used a regular core on the takeup side, not a
daylight spool). I assumed that the lid of the film can would be
sufficiently light-tight. Apparently not.
A test screening showed that it was in fact the tail of the film that
was fogged, with the final few winds showing the classic sprocket-burn
in typical of regular fogging outside the camera.
The test also showed two neg scratches on the left of the frame, pretty
much through the entire 200ft reel.
I'm going to proceed as if that's debris caught in the feed side channel
(i.e. the part that leads from the feed side to the gate/loop side of
the magazine). Doesn't seem like it's the rollers, since the scratches
are continuous. Could be the channels above/below the pressure plate as
Has anybody done a disassembly/deep cleaning of an ACL mag? Which parts
to steer clear of (i.e. don't touch because of critical allignment)?
Sorry for the long message.
Gerald Loessberg wrote:
> I have found that the 200 magazine develops two problems with age both
> of which are in play with your experience. The first is fogging. This
> is caused by shrinkage of the sound deadening material inside the
> doors. It begins to let a small ray of light leak into the mag. When
> the film is still for a period of time it will fog two to five frames
> with blue flash. To cure the problem put camera tape over the light
> leak on the inside of the door. The second is a loose or slipping
> spring drive band that drives the take up reel. check under the guide
> plate to see if this spring is stretched or dirty. cleaning it with
> denatured alcohol usually helps.
> On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 10:39 AM, Chris Leong wrote:
> > Hello fellows
> > Have some potential problem areas with my ACL1/English 200ft mags that
> > I
> > thought I'd put to you as a group before I take more drastic measures:
> > 1) test footage was partly fogged. Mag lids felt okay on seating.
> > However, since the 200ft load was on a daylight spool, it didn't have a
> > black plastic bag, so I didn't use one after exposure. I think that may
> > have been the culprit, but I don't know. I've never used a 200ft
> > daylight load before, and I've always had bags in my film cans. Come to
> > think of it, that's probably the main cause. Agree?
> > 2) the takeup wind was loose on unloading. I had to press the coils
> > flat
> > to fit the wind back into the film can. It was loose enough that I
> > wasn't concerned about scratching as I reformed the loops flat. No, I
> > didn't cinch the roll tight after that. Is this another effect of using
> > the 200ft daylight load? i.e. uneven core sizes? (takeup side was a
> > normal 2" plastic core)
> > Sorry if this sounds a bit basic. My first film through an ACL.
> > Thanks
> > Cheers
> > Chris
I saw your e-mail to Chris, and thought that I'd add my two cents.
I believe it's an open forum here.
I beg to differ with your statements regarding S16 and rollers.
You say that it's not necessary to modify (cut) rollers if they are working fine...rolling properly.
How can you tell if they're rolling properly??
They can misfunction at any time because of mostly, dirt and dust buildup.
So by cutting them back we're ensuring that there are'nt any scratches even if they do malfunction.
Thanks for the opportunity to communicate,
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