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RE: Eclair Cameras: film processing b&w reversal
if somone can take the complete kodak sku/cat# product listings as they
sell for processing b&w tri-x and plus-x, and create detailed
instructions, step by step, with digital snapshots and detailed
descriptions, using a little 16mm film tank, or a small tank for a short
strip, i would glady renumerate for the time spent.
the people at kodak, or at least the 6-10 folks i have spoke with, are
all basically ignorant of what their company is selling. i have yet to
speak with anyone that knws what they are talking about ... much less
speak to someone that does not make the statement 'we do not sell movie
film like that' or some other crazy remark.
the chemicals kodak sells come in large quantity bottles with fluids and
powers. i beleive there are 7 differant chemicals for processing the
tri/plus-x films through reversal. only on of the 2 part mixes came
with instructions, and they were no-brainer instructions that said mix
part a with part b. i need to know the exact measurement reductions
down to fl. oz or mL in the under 1 cup mix size, so ican start testing
strips of film, instead of rolls or entire batches of film. i have
never procesed film before. while on vacation in oaxaca mexico a few
months back, i talked a lab into letting me borrow one of their still
35mm cameras and i purchased a roll of ilford b&w negative film, 125asa.
i walked around town and shot the 36 exposures. i went back to the lab
and the develper took me in back and proceeded to show me how to process
my still film. it was very easy, and my film camera out great/perfect.
however, there were only two mixes .. the developers and the fixer. and
he had then alreayd mixed in a small quantity for me that filled a
little 35mm still roll jobo tank. so i did not learn about the smaller
for example, the b&w reversal bleach and replinisher arrived to me
directly from kodak in a 75.7 litre bottle that when mixed makes 20
gallons. this is part c. the other part a and b are powers, in
differant measures, as are the other fluids, etc. if someone has the
correct mix formula for these kodak chemicals that would give me mixed
batches no great then 5fl oz's(150mL's) across the board, so i can
process strips or single rolls, i would gladly pay for this information.
kodak has bewen terrible to work with in this sense, and i have not
made any progress with them. once i have a mixture chart for small
batches based o nthe kodak sku's as mentioned above, i can then move to
understnading the actual times for each that the flm needs to be
subjected. and the temps, etc. if a detailed simple instruction ws
writen, i could get on to learning and experimenting and understanding.
i do not have access to other chemicals of mixes easily, asi live in
cabo, and it is so very difficult to get items in here, especially
ground ship only chemicals. so what i have i must use.
and then, i could post these instructions on my website and every other
website around and make it easy for every other poor shmuk like myself
to process my film. the problem is, when you order directly from kodak
their b&w reversal tri/plus-x film chemicals, they come in very large
size containers. they do not sell a small kit of sorts, and they most
certainly do not provide any newbee instructions, as they assume anyone
purchasing these chemicals knows what the heck they're doing. well, i
dont :) <meep> but i would desperatly like to, so i can practice and
practice some more and eventually get it down to a controlable process,
wherein i am in control ... not the process.
i purchased a microfilm/16mm film processing machine on ebay, and before
i dump a ton of chemicals($$$$) into it, i wnat to know how, why, etc.
Wade Ramsey wrote:
Our lab processes Kodak B&W reversal for our students' projects. I'll
check with the lab man about the new process chemicals. There has to be
some sort of first developer, otherwise there is nothing to redevelop.
The new process increases the speed of Plus-X Rev. from 50 to 100, a
mixed blessing, depending on where you are shooting (interior or
I'll let you know what our lab man says, but I see in the lab a
cubitainer marked 'B&W Reversal First Developer Replenisher'.
Wade K. Ramsey, DP
Dept. of Cinema & Video Production
Bob Jones University
Greenville, SC 29614
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anyone here process the eclair footage themselves? if so, perhaps you
could enlighten me. i rencetly contacted kodak and asked them to help me
with a purchase that concerned processing b&w reversal tri and plus x
films. as such, i was sold the following:
-rapid fixer w/hardner(parts A & B, both liquids. 1.38 gallons makes 5
-reversal bleach and replinisher(parts A -4 pounds & B -2 pounds, both
powders x 2 bottles each, and to mix with part C liquid 1.24 gallons x 4
bottles to make 20 us gallons)
-reversal clearing bath and replinisher(5 gallons to make 15 gallons)
-reversal redevoloper and replinisher(liquid, 5 gallon makes 15 gallons)
am i missing something here? these are the NEW chemicals/cat#'s from
kodak. however, from all the online instructions i have read reg
arding processing b&w reversal, all of them make reference to a 'first
developer' chemical. is this no longer required with the new chemicals?
or are all the sales reps at kodak completely ignorant of the products
their company sells(i have had sales reps tell me they do not sell k-40,
as well as other dumbfounding statements that have given me indication
the sales people at kodak have absolutely no clue what they are
selling)? regarding these chemicals, when i had ordered, i had used the
old cat#'s from their website:
cat# 1866284 developer starter 1 qt. for making 15 gallons
cat# 1866268 first developer replinisher
cat# 1866201 redevolper
cat# 1866227 reversl bath and replinisher
cat# 1866243 reversal bleach
cat# 1464114 fixer solution min qty 4.
but what i actually received are the items i first mentioned. when i
contacted kodak, they told me that my original order for the above
cat#'s could not be filled, so they replaced them with the new
chemicals. i contacted my sales rep again, and asked if she was
certain, or if she could ask someone that knew, if i received everything
i must have in order to process tri and plus-x to reversal. she emailed
me back and said yes, i have everything. does any here know for
certain? making long distance calls to kodak have proven more trouble
then they are worth. what makes this particularly frustrating, is the
chemicals must be shipped ground. so to get them down here into mexico,
i had to first ship them to orange county, and then have someone drve
them across the border into mexico, and ship them from within mexico to
me. so it is a process to say the least, and dependant on having
someone willing to drive them across the border for me. so if i am
indeed missing a chemical, i will most likely let out a loud groan and
mumble some curse words.
eric m jarvies
cabo san lucas, baja california sur. mexico
eric m jarvies
cabo san lucas, baja california sur. mexico
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